Teravibe wrote:
So your slice of pie is still on chill because it took them 9 years to make it? I am confused. The question is simple did you or did you not like the game's current state. Either it's a yes or no i would like to see the reason behind it.
Generally you eat the pie for making an error or grave misjudgement. To be honest, it wouldn't apply here because I never flat out stated that XIV would fail. I did call that XIV would flop at it's initial launch and dismissed the mythical miracle patch so in that sense I was right, but I'm willing to take a few bites for being doubtful that XIV could come back from it's first failure to become something exceptional.
As to your question, I said in several other threads including this one that I am reserving judgement about XIV post ARR alpha because I would like to give Yoshi and his team a fair shake. In the 1.0 alpha it was clear well before release date was even announced that the game was far, far from what players would find acceptable. I checked in occasionally (usually in spurts following major version updates) to check on the game's progress, but stopped shortly after subscription started. The answer is that I can't really answer your question because I have put off playing until release.
I can speculate that in it's current form, XIV would not be a game I would find myself playing if they do decide to stick to the subscription model. The main reason would be the battle system (basing this solely on how it was presented during ARR alpha). I did read that this is expected to change which is why I will put off a final decision until I see where it leads. If Yoshi and crew can make solid progress toward something I might find enjoyable I would likely give them the benefit of the doubt and play ARR.
Teravibe wrote:
Little i care if it took them 9 years to make it. And to be honest it didn't take Yoshi 9 years to make it and we are looking at a game made by Yoshi "not" SE (if you get what i mean).
The 9 years of development is a factor for me for two reasons:
1) There are many(almost all) other options which put forth a more solid presentation in less time.
2) If ARR is not even on the same level(matter of personal opinion of course) as those after having much more time to refine it then it wouldn't be worth it to me even if it were F2P.
No, the game was not under the direction of Yoshi from the beginning of it's development. I will only attribute those changes that were made by Yoshi directly to his credit. In fairness though, what he did keep gave him a healthy headstart over someone who would be starting from day one so he should be held accountable for some of it. Some or perhaps all of what they kept was forced on him due to time/money constraints, but he stepped into those shoes willingly. He deserves credit for what he's done thus far and I commend him for it, but there will be no sympathy. I'm sure he wouldn't want it anyway.
People confuse optimism and pessimism for white knighting or trolling respectively. An opinion is just an opinion. You're not white knighting because you aren't really defending anything for no reason. It's one thing to base your opinions on progress you have witnessed. It's something completely different if you were to try and defeat someone's opinion that the current battle system isn't enjoyable based solely on the fact that there are changes coming in the future, especially without being completely clear on the details.
I will say that most people who were called trolls or dark knights were only people who had valid complaints based on observation. Most of the people who were called white knights were talking about future changes that weren't actually made yet(and in some cases at all) or just dismissing opinions because they came without constructive criticism. You don't have to know how to repair something to know that it's broken.