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#1 Mar 05 2013 at 4:29 AM Rating: Default
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Hello again. I keep hearing about a theif class, what is its role? Like what did it do in xi?
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#2 Mar 05 2013 at 5:04 AM Rating: Good
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There was talk about classes Yoshida would like to do. That included Thief, Blue Mage, and Ninja, and Samurai. But for ARR launch we'll be seeing:

Gladiator/Paladin
Thaumaturge/Black Mage
Marauder/Warrior
Conjurer/White Mage
Lancer/Dragoon
Pugilist/Monk
Archer/Bard
Arcanist/Summoner

Also: I before E.

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#3 Mar 05 2013 at 5:54 AM Rating: Default
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Umm...thanks? Haha I meant like what did a theif do? Like just steal stuff?
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#4 Mar 05 2013 at 6:13 AM Rating: Excellent
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Well i haven't seen anything but, if i am to guess, i would say it does exactly what a rogue does in all the MMOs. Stealth, sneak attacks etc. But the thief class is what Yoshida would LIKE to have in ARR probably in later updates so until he starts working towards it we won't know much about the class.

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THF in XI had positional attacks and abilities to manipulate enmity. They weren't the strongest DD, but had high evasion and made the best pullers. Also, treasure hunter, and yes, a job ability called Steal.

I assume they'll borrow heavily from those elements, as well as previous games.

Edited, Mar 5th 2013 7:40am by catwho
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#6 Mar 05 2013 at 6:51 AM Rating: Good
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In XI, in order for Thief to be an effective damage dealer it was all about positioning (this was also a means of hate control for the group)... I've never played any version of FFXIV but as far as I'm aware, position played a role for all DDs in 1.0 (not sure about ARR?) so that essentially becomes an obsolete playing style for thief.

I don't think any speculation can really be made about up coming roles until we've experienced the revamped battle system for ourselves and see what niche Thief could fill in a group situation. I hope it is one of the next jobs to be implemented though as I mained THF in FFXI and I loved it. I love being all evasive and sneaky ^^

EDIT: Sorry to repeat catwho - slow typing!

Edited, Mar 5th 2013 7:52am by cazzles
#7 Mar 05 2013 at 3:09 PM Rating: Decent
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Sounds cool az, xi seems pretty good I wish I got into it now :( and that of blue red and green mages?
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In XI, Blue Mages have a complex set of spells that they acquire from observing and killing monsters. Most of the spells mimic effects of normal magic, but BLU also had some unique physical magic attacks that allowed them to actually be aggressive DPS players as opposed to mid line or back line like all the other mages. They also have job abilities that enhance or combine with their magic. (Mmmmm self skill chains...) A BLU is super effective in dungeons where you'll encounter monsters with immunity to some types of damage.

Red Mage is more versatile, as it generally functions as back line and support in parties, but can also pick up a sword and stab stuff with anyone else. They are XI's jack of all trades, and master of exactly one - enfeebling magic. Red mage has fallen out of favor, as scholar is a better back line/support role, white mage is a better healer, bard is a better buffer, SMN and BLM are better back line damage dealers, and BLU and DNC (and THF/DNC and NIN/DNC and pretty much anything/DNC) are better soloers. It still has its uses (I had to beat a dungeon crawl mission on RDM because when I went on WHM I ran out of mp!) but it is not the powerhouse it once was.

There is no green mage in XI, nor is there any "green" magic. The category of enhancing spells are spread out among red mage, white mage, and scholar, with mirrors in summoner and blue mage. They're adding geomancer, which is going to overlap somewhat with scholar, but it'll be interesting to see if they get the category of magic known as "green" in the FF series.

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#9 Mar 05 2013 at 7:23 PM Rating: Good
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Cheers man ur a guru ^-^
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#10 Mar 05 2013 at 10:29 PM Rating: Good
On a random "Thief" related note, I found this just now.
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#11 Mar 06 2013 at 4:09 AM Rating: Decent
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Just to expand... THF was a lot of fun, but they tended to get a bad rap because there were a lot of really bad ones that didn't know what they were doing. Which resulted in slow pulls, low damage, and no enmity control.

A good THF though, was amazing. Both in parties, and solo. In parties they were sort of a melee support and kept things running smoothly. They could use position-based attacks to deal massive spikes of damage, but more importantly, stack up bonus enmity on your tank while dispelling any enmity for yourself. This way you could run off mid-battle to start the next pull without dragging the enemy the party is fighting along behind you. Stick some sleep bolts in your handy crossbow and keep the monster zzz'd until the first fight is over. Then unload all your damage again, and go find more pulls :)

In the event of a monster link (or solo), a THF could also keep his party safe by fighting one monster alone for a fairly long time. Between sleep bolts, bloody bolts (life drain), and tons of evasion skills, they could do it without heals from a whitemage, thereby keeping any enmity on yourself and not him/her.

It was actually really hectic if you were doing it right, but that was part of the fun for me.

Of course, thats without mentioning fun stuff like Steal, Mug, Flee, and Lockpicking. Plus Treasure Hunter, which increased the chances for good loot, and the one reason anyone wanted THFs in their party despite the reputation. Obviously I'm a bit nostalgic and hope they add Thief to ARR soon!
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hope they add Thief to ARR soon!


Me too now!!
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#13 Mar 06 2013 at 5:11 AM Rating: Good
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I felt the same way about Bards in XI. They implemented it differently in XIV and I was disappointed.
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Taking from the ESO versus XIV thread, if they implement Thief I would LOVE to see Nightingale armor as their AF Smiley: nod
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Taking from the ESO versus XIV thread, if they implement Thief I would LOVE to see Nightingale armor as their AF Smiley: nod


You mean the nightingale armor from Elder scrolls? http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7171/6721681819_a8b9e8c1c5_z.jpg

If so, yea, my female stealth character has it, it is just awesome, nothing else to say...
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teravibe wrote:
Wint wrote:
Taking from the ESO versus XIV thread, if they implement Thief I would LOVE to see Nightingale armor as their AF Smiley: nod


You mean the nightingale armor from Elder scrolls? http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7171/6721681819_a8b9e8c1c5_z.jpg

If so, yea, my female stealth character has it, it is just awesome, nothing else to say...

LOL looks like lady ga ga's meat suit but with leather haha looks sweet, i do like the idea of being all sneaky n shizz

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teravibe wrote:
Wint wrote:
Taking from the ESO versus XIV thread, if they implement Thief I would LOVE to see Nightingale armor as their AF Smiley: nod


You mean the nightingale armor from Elder scrolls? http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7171/6721681819_a8b9e8c1c5_z.jpg

If so, yea, my female stealth character has it, it is just awesome, nothing else to say...


That's the stuff. Loved that quest line and that was an awesome reward for finishing it.
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Not to bring up an old topic but on my daily trip to Amazon.com I found: THIS!
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#19 Apr 20 2013 at 6:30 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yep they announced about 2 weeks ago or so that they are making a new thief game! Can't wait to be honest.

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Yeah i want Thief in FFXIV too. I ALWAYS play as a Rogue/Thief?Assassin in ANY MMO.. I wouldnt know how to play any other job (well I would as I did level every job in FFXI to 75 and fully merit them all but yeah) But until then Ill be playing Pugilist/Monk as that seems to be the closest job to thief in FFXIV at the moment (as thy have a steal technique, something that increases their evasion and i THINK they also had a sneak attack (or more damage from behind the enemy) like technique (though that coulda been lancer)
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Well gun wielding Musketeers were supposed to be added to XIV 1.0 perhaps these will turn into a thief-like job in ARR.
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Yeah i want Thief in FFXIV too. I ALWAYS play as a Rogue/Thief?Assassin in ANY MMO.. I wouldnt know how to play any other job (well I would as I did level every job in FFXI to 75 and fully merit them all but yeah) But until then Ill be playing Pugilist/Monk as that seems to be the closest job to thief in FFXIV at the moment (as thy have a steal technique, something that increases their evasion and i THINK they also had a sneak attack (or more damage from behind the enemy) like technique (though that coulda been lancer)


Pug had Blindside (Sneak attack), and LNC used to have collusion (Trick attack). They patched it and gave collusion to WAR as an ability to take the take enmity from the person's next attack after you use it on them. Who knows what they're going to do with it in ARR.

With those moves already occupied, they might go a different path for Thief. Or may not have it all together.

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Could add "Rogue" as the class and then THF as the formal job.
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Thief -> Ninja is the most logical (and canonical) option.
Unless you argue that this is not possible, because Thief already is a classic job, and not a class.
Which, once again, would illuminate how absurd the whole class/job distinction actually is.
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Well gun wielding Musketeers were supposed to be added to XIV 1.0 perhaps these will turn into a thief-like job in ARR.


Oh my.

Yoshi-P already ruined Bard with his 'vision', if he tries to make some bizarre gun Thief, I will hunt him.
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In XI, Blue Mages have a complex set of spells that they acquire from observing and killing monsters. Most of the spells mimic effects of normal magic, but BLU also had some unique physical magic attacks that allowed them to actually be aggressive DPS players as opposed to mid line or back line like all the other mages. They also have job abilities that enhance or combine with their magic. (Mmmmm self skill chains...) A BLU is super effective in dungeons where you'll encounter monsters with immunity to some types of damage.

Edited, Mar 5th 2013 7:29pm by catwho


One of the things that disappointed me about 1.0 was how antiquated the ability sets typically were. I felt like classes like PUP and BLU from FFXI had achieved a level of depth between their build mechanics and combat flexibility that made them really interesting classes, while most of the older classes have gotten a bit more fleshed out over the years, but started out extremely dry with a finite array of 'push button-> get bacon' attacks. XIV seemed to be a marginal improvement with positional attacks, pushback attacks, etc., but overall still very hollow.

One of the greatest weaknesses of contemporary MMOs, WoW clones or otherwise, is that they really don't let you DO a lot of things with your character. When they do, it's just an action button--nothing that challenges you to interact with the game in a meaningful way. It's a lot of 'target X-> push button-> win' (GW2 is a repeat offender of this in nearly every other quest). They reduced the fetch quest to a micro scale.

Let me create some interesting effects, is all I'm saying. Put some physics into it. If it's all just numbers ticking away while I press my best buttons, I'm hard pressed to give a ****.
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Ah, it's been too long since I went on a design rant. Smiley: cool
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On a random "Thief" related note, I found this just now.


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Beat ya to it bud Smiley: wink
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IKickYoDog wrote:
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On a random "Thief" related note, I found this just now.


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Not to bring up an old topic but on my daily trip to Amazon.com I found: THIS!


Beat ya to it bud Smiley: wink


I'm not your "buddy," guy! lol

No, I was adding to yours. That's why I knew that this Topic was in existence, because of your original link. I found that video and was adding the price, PS4 option, and VIDEO, for all to enjoy. I never knew about this game unless for you and when I saw that, I figured maybe others might care to see it. Just expanding, that's all.



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Amen!
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