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#302 Jun 24 2014 at 9:58 AM Rating: Decent
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I get that this is stated so often that it's assumed to be true, but it's just not.

No, it is. Not close, not in ANY WAY an open issue.
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#303 Jun 24 2014 at 10:00 AM Rating: Excellent
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We're not great long-term thinkers, is what you're saying.
I suppose it's not exactly a revolutionary thought or anything. Smiley: frown

Also would probably add that if you're the type that's willing and eager to pick up and move to some new world frontier, you're probably not the type that would be going to go see a doctor regularly. Given we're largely the descendants of those kinds of people, I'm not too surprised we are where we are. Of course that has no basis other than my own rambling opinion and should probably be treated as such.

Edited, Jun 24th 2014 9:00am by someproteinguy
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#304 Jun 24 2014 at 10:21 AM Rating: Good
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Smasharoo wrote:
I get that this is stated so often that it's assumed to be true, but it's just not.

No, it is. Not close, not in ANY WAY an open issue.

Lol, that's as far as I read in gbaji's response. You can't start with that sort of a supposition and then expect there to be anything of any value following.





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#305 Jun 24 2014 at 10:23 AM Rating: Good
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Samira wrote:
We're not great long-term thinkers, is what you're saying.


I can fantasize into the future a good long distance.

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#306 Jun 29 2014 at 2:47 AM Rating: Default
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Gbaji wrote:
I get that this is stated so often that it's assumed to be true, but it's just not. The problem is that the two things aren't related in any significant way. It's like someone needed an emotion laden reason to get people on board with subsidizing general health insurance and they latched onto "people in emergency rooms" as the best they could come up with.

The percentage of emergency room visits which could be prevented by providing people with comprehensive health insurance (with "preventative care") is very close to zero. Most emergency room visits are the result of accidental injuries, or illnesses which can't be "prevented" by going to a doctor once or twice a year. All you're doing is increasing the total costs involved by paying for one thing which doesn't at all affect the cost of the other thing. People with health insurance still fall off ladders. Their children still get ear infections. And they go to urgent care (emergency rooms) for treatment, just the same as the uninsured do. The cost is the same. Only now you've introduced a middle man which will increase total costs.

About the only thing that can be consistently be shown to decrease total systemic health care costs via prevention is flu shots and vaccinations. And if someone proposed that we simply provide those for free, I'd have no problem with it. Because that would actually reduce our total health care costs. What was sold to the public as a cost saving measure was not only not, but arguably will result (must result) in increased total systemic health care costs. We were vastly better off cost-wise just absorbing the cost for the occasional emergency room visit by the uninsured than what we have now.


I realize that I'm late on this and this may have already been addressed but you're intentionally looking at this incorrectly. The cost savings is not in reference to the sick, but the hospitals and the tax payers. That is what we care about. It costs the taxpayers and the hospitals much more to care for the uninsured, than for people to simply insure themselves. Will the TOTAL amount of money spent on healthcare be more? Yes, but that's because hospitals aren't allowed to turn people away. So, once again, you have two choices if you want to reduce the cost for taxpayers (that could be spent on other stuff)

1. Make people be responsible, insure themselves and stop relying on the government, you know the conservative view on everything else with government assistance.

2. Let people get sick and die.
#307 Jun 30 2014 at 7:42 AM Rating: Good
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You can't start with that sort of a supposition and then expect there to be anything of any value following.
The irony is lost on some.

One. The irony is lost on one person.
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