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#177 Jul 13 2014 at 9:53 AM Rating: Good
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even if true

It isn't true. Not even vaguely close to true, so we can stop pretty much everything after that from being taken seriously.
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#178 Jul 14 2014 at 7:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'm still waiting to find out where the people saying we can't spend money on some of these programs are finding money to meddle with all the Middle Eastern *********
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#179 Jul 14 2014 at 8:01 AM Rating: Good
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lolgaxe wrote:
I'm still waiting to find out where the people saying we can't spend money on some of these programs are finding money to meddle with all the Middle Eastern bullsh*t.

You and Rahm both.

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#180 Jul 14 2014 at 8:03 AM Rating: Decent
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From Big Oil, obviously.
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#181 Jul 14 2014 at 9:19 AM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
Sure. One of the first hits on google.
Personalized search results FTW. Smiley: rolleyes
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#182 Jul 14 2014 at 10:24 AM Rating: Good
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I entered, "Are private charities better at targeting those in need?" into my search bar and got a Slate article titled, Why Charity Can't Replace the Safety Net.

Next on the list an article titled, The Voluntarism Fantasy in The Democracy Journal.

I'm sure gbaji will let me know how I incorrectly worded the question to get the answer I wanted, but it was still a fun little exercise in google-reinforced bias. Smiley: grin

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#183 Jul 14 2014 at 10:37 AM Rating: Good
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You probably spelled it wrong.
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#184 Jul 14 2014 at 10:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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I Googled "Are libertarian ideas about charity as incredibly stupid as I suspect?" and the first hit was an article titled "Libertarianism Makes You Stupid"

So, yeah, there's my research.
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#185 Jul 14 2014 at 12:44 PM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
I Googled "Are libertarian ideas about charity as incredibly stupid as I suspect?" and the first hit was an article titled "Libertarianism Makes You Stupid"

So, yeah, there's my research.
It's basically scientific proof.
#186 Jul 14 2014 at 12:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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There's software out there that attempts to map protein interactions by data-mining different websites and internet search results. Smiley: tinfoilhat
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#187 Jul 14 2014 at 2:44 PM Rating: Good
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someproteinguy wrote:
There's software out there that attempts to map protein interactions by data-mining different websites and internet search results. Smiley: tinfoilhat

Is that a mastturbation joke?
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#188 Jul 14 2014 at 2:45 PM Rating: Good
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If it was, it would have been about HARDware, not SOFTware!
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#189 Jul 14 2014 at 3:02 PM Rating: Good
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#190 Jul 14 2014 at 3:27 PM Rating: Good
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#191 Jul 14 2014 at 3:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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#192 Jul 14 2014 at 3:40 PM Rating: Good
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#193 Jul 14 2014 at 3:46 PM Rating: Good
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FTFY
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#194 Jul 14 2014 at 4:07 PM Rating: Good
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#195 Jul 14 2014 at 10:27 PM Rating: Good
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Professor stupidmonkey wrote:
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No, It was going to be like 7 Smiley: lol tall, and about 12 Smiley: lol across



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#196 Jul 14 2014 at 10:34 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
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Helpful image for gbaji:


That's cute, as long as one doesn't realize that the picture labeled as "justice" isn't justice. Justice offsets injustice. Meaning that it only exists within the context of unjust actions. If I take something from you, justice would require (at a minimum) that it be taken from me and returned to you. Justice does not act to offset natural conditions. The tall person did not take height from the short person. Thus, no system of justice would require that his box be taken from him and given to the short person in order to balance out their respective heights.

This, in a nutshell, is where most people go wrong with the concept of rights, liberty, justice, etc. They fail to understand the difference between naturally occurring conditions and those imposed on one by someone else. Government can and should act to adjust for the latter, but while it *may* act to adjust for the former, it is not required, and it's absolutely not "unfair" or "unjust" for it not to.


The image is helpful at illustrating how people apply incorrect labels to things though. So thanks, I guess.


Well, if it wasn't so taboo, almost all of us could be tall, and allocate boxes for the few who weren't. Unfortunately, we live in a society where the only solutions are moving around of the boxes or leaving them where random chance allows them to end up.

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#197 Jul 14 2014 at 10:40 PM Rating: Good
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Libertarian blogger on libertarian site cites her libertarian book's use of libertarian studies from National Center for Policy Analysis and Journal of Libertarian Studies.

Sounds legit.

Its totally legit. Sure, the studies are almost 20 years old with 1996 being the most recent thing I've seen, but thats OK. Unlike science, economics is stable enough that it never needs updating.


It does and it doesn't.
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#198 Jul 14 2014 at 11:45 PM Rating: Good
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Professor stupidmonkey wrote:
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No, It was going to be like 7 Smiley: lol tall, and about 12 Smiley: lol across



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But isn't there a limit on the number of smileys? Like 9 [:lol:]'s? Yep, can't have more then 9 [:lol:] 's on a post
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#199 Jul 15 2014 at 4:31 AM Rating: Excellent
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Gbaji wrote:

Of course. The party that is *not* passing legislation that directly targets minority groups for benefits will always appear this way. But that's because the GOP is *not* being racist, not because we are. The problem is that we're being judged by a standard that is itself inherently racist.


Two points:

1. You would have a valid point IF there weren't prior mistreatment. You can't enslave a race, prevent them from learning English, strip their heritage/names, prevent them from going to school, prevent them from living in certain housing, prevent them from voting, etc., then say, "oh, well to make laws to address those wrong doings would be 'inherently racist'.

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To me, racism involves treating people differently primarily based on their skin color. Period.

Racism is defined as the belief that a race is inherently superior or inferior to another race. People on both sides of the argument get this wrong.

#200 Jul 15 2014 at 5:01 AM Rating: Good
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1. You would have a valid point IF there weren't prior mistreatment. You can't enslave a race, prevent them from learning English, strip their heritage/names, prevent them from going to school, prevent them from living in certain housing, prevent them from voting, etc., then say, "oh, well to make laws to address those wrong doings would be 'inherently racist'.


I don't think that the policies to help those races should be targeting them by race though. The legitimate concern is that what happens to these laws as things do get better? You would have benefits coded into law for specific races, when do they disappear? And then what happens when there are people stuck in a similar location, possibly even neighbors, who aren't the right race to get the benefits?

The focus should be on the economic position the people are in. The issue being that the past racist policies have left the a disproportionate number of minorities in these poor conditions. Truly help the poor, you help the minorities, but in a way that could evolve to help anyone stuck in those positions rather than just specific races.

That specific case in Texas, where public colleges set aside enrollment for the top X% of any school, was the right way to go around doing it. Obviously that one was challenged too, but I think it has a solid reasoning behind it and would work well for helping those in poor conditions.

Edited, Jul 15th 2014 7:04am by TirithRR
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#201 Jul 15 2014 at 6:05 AM Rating: Good
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TirithRR wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
1. You would have a valid point IF there weren't prior mistreatment. You can't enslave a race, prevent them from learning English, strip their heritage/names, prevent them from going to school, prevent them from living in certain housing, prevent them from voting, etc., then say, "oh, well to make laws to address those wrong doings would be 'inherently racist'.


I don't think that the policies to help those races should be targeting them by race though. The legitimate concern is that what happens to these laws as things do get better? You would have benefits coded into law for specific races, when do they disappear? And then what happens when there are people stuck in a similar location, possibly even neighbors, who aren't the right race to get the benefits?

The focus should be on the economic position the people are in. The issue being that the past racist policies have left the a disproportionate number of minorities in these poor conditions. Truly help the poor, you help the minorities, but in a way that could evolve to help anyone stuck in those positions rather than just specific races.

That specific case in Texas, where public colleges set aside enrollment for the top X% of any school, was the right way to go around doing it. Obviously that one was challenged too, but I think it has a solid reasoning behind it and would work well for helping those in poor conditions.

Edited, Jul 15th 2014 7:04am by TirithRR
Differential treatment under the law is certainly a valid point to argue against. Affirmative action treats a symptom, not the disease. However, targeting income for 'special' programs in the same vein as affirmative action is just as discriminatory as targeting race or sex or what have you.

Also focusing on the economic status doesn't address racism at all. It just further pits the haves against the have-nots.

It's a tough call. Affirmative action, while still controversial, has been fairly successful in doing what it was meant to do (which, btw, was not to win over black votes....lawl).


Edited, Jul 15th 2014 2:27pm by Elinda
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