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#1 Oct 02 2010 at 3:41 PM Rating: Good
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Well, i think my patience is not that great, first of all I will like to thank this forum because the majority of the people here answered every question with respect and honesty. Since the 22nd I played and I really did try to like this game, but from the **** of account creation, payment options, server lag, confusing menus, no real quest mechanics I was pushing myself into liking it. I know that many of you love this game and I really hope you guys have fun, but the mechanics of this game i don't like one bit. Maybe in a couple of months when lag is fixed and some quest are implemented i will give it a go,Again thanks to this forum for all the help it provided me, hope to see all of you soon.
#2 Oct 02 2010 at 3:46 PM Rating: Decent
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Can I have your stuff?

Seriously though, that's what the free trial is for; to see if you like the game or not. Well, check back in a few months and see if anything has substantially improved. A basic rule that I follow in most aspects of my life: If you're not having fun, don't do it.

Bye! :)
#3 Oct 02 2010 at 3:47 PM Rating: Good
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Fair points, I can understand where you're coming from.

I was disappointed to see there's not much else outside of leveling right now. I can't see me being on that much until more content's added. But I am extremely optimistic. Most of the bad comments on here are greatly exaggerated.

I'm just hoping for an announcement from SE really soon about an upcoming content patch...
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#4 Oct 02 2010 at 4:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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You won't be the last sadly, I'm sure many many more are going to be going the same way very soon. Just a matter of time with how shoddy the game is, this will very soon get embarassing for SE and I hope they get their asses in gear and addresses the horrible problems this game has because of that. It's a real shame what they did with a game with such potential, it's as if the gave the production to rank amateurs not a 10+ year MMO veteran dev team.

Nobody with any sense can argue against this happening either, you know it will. The first reviews will be more along the lines of massive player decreases and price cuts of the game more than the horrible problems the game has.
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#5 Oct 02 2010 at 4:24 PM Rating: Good
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Well, i think my patience is not that great, first of all I will like to thank this forum because the majority of the people here answered every question with respect and honesty. Since the 22nd I played and I really did try to like this game, but from the **** of account creation, payment options, server lag, confusing menus, no real quest mechanics I was pushing myself into liking it. I know that many of you love this game and I really hope you guys have fun, but the mechanics of this game i don't like one bit. Maybe in a couple of months when lag is fixed and some quest are implemented i will give it a go,Again thanks to this forum for all the help it provided me, hope to see all of you soon.
Take care. Check back periodically to see how the fixes are coming along, at least.
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#6 Oct 02 2010 at 5:19 PM Rating: Good
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Same thing here. Really, *really* wanted to love the game. Tried hard. Bought two CE and two gamepads. Good thing I didn't upgrade our computers. I'll check back after PS3 release. The game isn't for everyone. It's not for me. To those who like it, have fun, see you maybe next year.

I just hope this is not APB 2.
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#7 Oct 02 2010 at 5:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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I feel like i been painted into a corner, when SE announced they were raising the level cap on FFXI i tried to think positive on it, but just couldnt get into it. i feel as if they pulled the rug out from underneath me. i wont go into details but i am just so unhappy with the recent change in direction they took FFXI.
But all is good right? there is a new MMORPG on the horizon, FFXIV!! i was so happy, it was the only thing that passed my sadness from leaving a game that has brought me so much enjoyment for 6 years. well after playing the OB and starting on the 22nd i soon relized that this isnt FFXI with shinny new graphics and everyones character reset. this is something totally different from what i felt so warm about. I am a hard sell, i dont like 99% of games so maybe its me that is flawed, but i do like almost every one of SE's games. but this one i just dont like, im sure it will be great for most in a few months/years but it just isnt for me (sad face). I cant go back to FFXI so i guess ill just hang up my robe (Cape!) here.

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#8 Oct 02 2010 at 5:43 PM Rating: Good
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PhoenixOmbre wrote:
I'll check back after PS3 release.


There is a reason why you are Sage. This is the most intelligent thing I have read on these forums in quite a while. During the alpha and beta phases I was one of the people helping others out with upgrading or tweaking their rigs to get them ready for FFXIV. After seeing how poorly this program uses a PCs resources and how poorly the UI and controls are for the PC... This was my answer for pretty much everything. Save your dough and some of your sanity and wait for PS3 release. For those of you who had the patience, I congratulate you. If SE can make it through the heat incoming from other upcoming releases then you'll be happy you waited.
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#9 Oct 02 2010 at 5:46 PM Rating: Good
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PhoenixOmbre wrote:
Same thing here. Really, *really* wanted to love the game. Tried hard. Bought two CE and two gamepads. Good thing I didn't upgrade our computers. I'll check back after PS3 release. The game isn't for everyone. It's not for me. To those who like it, have fun, see you maybe next year.

I just hope this is not APB 2.


I hope it is. Square Enix needs a good hard ********* across the face if they are to stop believing in their own bullsh*t.

When a company starts to believe it's own hype it is in trouble.

examples:

Intel during the latter half of the Netburst era.

Nvidia during the Geforce FX debacle.

ATI lately.

Intel and Nvidia both got ************ (by AMD and ATI respectively), stopped believing their own marketing bullsh*t and improved their product lines. AMD is currently in need of a good ********* in regards to their drivers.



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#10 Oct 02 2010 at 6:00 PM Rating: Good
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I've cancelled my account too for now. I'll check back in to see how things are going once in a while, but I can't keep playing this game right now. Everything I do in the games feels like I'm smashing my head repeatedly into a brick wall. I spent years in FFXI hoping for SE to fix this, or adjust that, or finally get around to finishing WotG (still unfinished btw). I can't do that anymore. I spent all my patience for SE on XI and it ran out a long, long time ago.

Hope to see you guys in Eorzea again someday when (or if) SE ever makes this game playable.
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#11 Oct 02 2010 at 6:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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I've cancelled my account too for now. I'll check back in to see how things are going once in a while, but I can't keep playing this game right now. Everything I do in the games feels like I'm smashing my head repeatedly into a brick wall. I spent years in FFXI hoping for SE to fix this, or adjust that, or finally get around to finishing WotG (still unfinished btw). I can't do that anymore. I spent all my patience for SE on XI and it ran out a long, long time ago.

Hope to see you guys in Eorzea again someday when (or if) SE ever makes this game playable.
Hey, they've slated to finish the expansion storyline by December 2011! That's only a month over 3 years to roll out a single expansion.
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#12 Oct 02 2010 at 6:18 PM Rating: Good
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You might be interested in this other new MMO: FFXI. I hear it improves over FFXIV in every way.
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#13 Oct 02 2010 at 6:37 PM Rating: Good
I haven't left quite yet, but I'm at the end of my chain. I payed for the CE, I *really* wanted this game to be good. However its just not.

I started fishing because I knew cooking wouldn't pick up yet. It's not too bad, fishing is actually pretty fun, but it makes me sad that I can't go sell all my stuff to people who need it and be making the good money and contribution to the economy. Ran out of where I could go with the gear I had though. Tried crafting, couldn't stand a) doing the same thing again, and again, and again, with b) no real ability to sell it off, or do the more interesting and complex crafts without leveling ~5 other crafts myself. Drove me crazy.

So after two days in the CE time, I quit for quite a while. Came back recently, decided to try to just ignore the economy, leveled pugilist, punching bunnies is kinda fun, but I wore down my weapon! Sold everything, had enough I could probably buy a new low level weapon-- if I could find one. Spent literally an hour going through the wards, found _one_ h2h weapon, and it was the dodo fist for ~200,000gil. No help there. Can't do level 10 leves even though I'm that level because me starter weapon is worn down flat.

I'm trying to go ahead and join a pretty good LS, see if the community can help me get a few things, maybe meet some crafters who I can pay to get me a new weapon.

So I'm not out *yet*, but I'm on a hair.

The thing that makes me sad is I would be having a _great_ time with just a search function or auction house. That would solve _all_ my problems, and that one thing has so far absolutely ruined this game for me. Crappy UI? Yeah it's crappy, but I can live with it, grinding, it's not great, but oh well. But no economy? Game killer.
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#14 Oct 02 2010 at 7:07 PM Rating: Good
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digitalcraft, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
Came back recently, decided to try to just ignore the economy, leveled pugilist, punching bunnies is kinda fun, but I wore down my weapon! Sold everything, had enough I could probably buy a new low level weapon-- if I could find one. Spent literally an hour going through the wards, found _one_ h2h weapon, and it was the dodo fist for ~200,000gil. No help there. Can't do level 10 leves even though I'm that level because me starter weapon is worn down flat.


There are NPCs that will repair your weapons for a modest fee (a few hundred gil).
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#15 Oct 02 2010 at 7:14 PM Rating: Good
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I am going to just play out the trial...but I won't be paying anything more to SE until they fix all that has been mentioned over and over. It just isn't all that fun!
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To be honest, if you're not having fun playing a game, it is most likely not the game for you, be it poker, racing, baseball, chess, or even a MMORPG. The entire point of a game is to provide an enjoyable method in which to spend one's time.

Now, on to the subject of what type of game FFXIV is, especially in its infancy. It is a game that takes time, and lots of it. Those who lack the patience to wait more than half a month for sweeping changes to the game are most likely not going to enjoy the game even after those changes, and as such should probably stick to games that have been live for over a year, probably ones that will get lots of attention due to those games keeping the company alive.
#17 Oct 02 2010 at 7:24 PM Rating: Good
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#18 Oct 02 2010 at 7:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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Your Probbably doing the right thing for yourself, check back in a few months, see if anything's changed then decide if its for you.

Take care man
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#19XorToken, Posted: Oct 02 2010 at 7:35 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Wow...what a bunch of pathetically whinny posts(no offense xD ). Ah well...to each his own I guess.
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Wow...what a bunch of pathetically whinny posts(no offense xD ). Ah well...to each his own I guess.

Seriously though, if you think a lot of people are going to be leaving like this your living in a fantasy world. If you actually play the game instead of lounging around on these forums soaking up all the negative opinions(majority of the board), you'll see that most people are hanging in there and taking on the challenge.

Your right though, the game isn't for everyone. Anyone that hates a challenge STAND CLEAR!! xD xD

Peace


So many people confusing challenge with crappy waste of time crap.

/sigh
#21 Oct 02 2010 at 7:41 PM Rating: Decent
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Meh, SE should have had a free 30day trial period disk or download for like $2.99. alot of ppl disappointed with this pay for beta launch >.> $50-75 for a pre-released beta lol..
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Wow...what a bunch of pathetically whinny posts(no offense xD ). Ah well...to each his own I guess.

Seriously though, if you think a lot of people are going to be leaving like this your living in a fantasy world. If you actually play the game instead of lounging around on these forums soaking up all the negative opinions(majority of the board), you'll see that most people are hanging in there and taking on the challenge.

Your right though, the game isn't for everyone. Anyone that hates a challenge STAND CLEAR!! xD xD

Peace


lol I see u mentioned "Challenge"

i pretty get confused coz i haven't seen any challenges in FFXIV yet

i don see any points right here it is just an offense

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Wow...what a bunch of pathetically whinny posts(no offense xD ). Ah well...to each his own I guess.

Seriously though, if you think a lot of people are going to be leaving like this your living in a fantasy world. If you actually play the game instead of lounging around on these forums soaking up all the negative opinions(majority of the board), you'll see that most people are hanging in there and taking on the challenge.

Your right though, the game isn't for everyone. Anyone that hates a challenge STAND CLEAR!! xD xD

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lol I see u mentioned "Challenge"

i pretty get confused coz i haven't seen any challenges in FFXIV yet

i don see any points right here it is just an offense



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#24 Oct 02 2010 at 8:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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I canceled my account a week ago. I think I did, only had option to cancel characters not the whole account,but received e-mail saying account canceled. *crosses fingers*. Unfortunately I'm not big on crafting, I usually take up 1 craft in MMO's,would rather kill stuff than make stuff ; Love quests ,guildleves just aren't quests imho,and 1 quest every 10 levels isn't doing it for me.

Also the hassle it is to buy any new gear spending far to much time checking retainers,and the lag and constant D/C's Ive been getting since the SE release just isn't fun for me. Nothing like getting D/c'd during a leve then logging in to my character eating dirt.

No new MMO's on the horizon that appeal to me thus far ,but a new "Fallout" game in a few weeks should keep me occupied for a while I hope. Like others have said, I really had high hopes for this game and I hope it turns around in time, but I don't think I'll even last the full 30 days if nothing changes sooner rather than later.

Cheers...hopefully just for a while..
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#25Verdy, Posted: Oct 02 2010 at 8:14 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) another reason i chose to leave is that i can't deal with little kid lol
#26 Oct 02 2010 at 8:19 PM Rating: Good
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Well, i think my patience is not that great, first of all I will like to thank this forum because the majority of the people here answered every question with respect and honesty. Since the 22nd I played and I really did try to like this game, but from the **** of account creation, payment options, server lag, confusing menus, no real quest mechanics I was pushing myself into liking it. I know that many of you love this game and I really hope you guys have fun, but the mechanics of this game i don't like one bit. Maybe in a couple of months when lag is fixed and some quest are implemented i will give it a go,Again thanks to this forum for all the help it provided me, hope to see all of you soon.


I'm having similar feelings.

I bought 2 sets of CE and even a USD$2050 Asus gaming laptop just for FFXIV.

I have started playing since 25th but is still trying very hard to like the game till now.

I'm willing to overlook all other in-game issues as long as SE acts quickly to improve the interface responsiveness / sluggishness (at least to FFXI's standard if not better), add in some useful macros / hotkeys (eg. /follow, <stpc>, <stnpc>, F1~F5, etc.) and allow us to sort our inventory (maybe there is but I have not figured out how).

I'll be reasonable and will be giving SE up to 3 months to improve and fine-tune things. I will not be re-activating my 2 FFXI accounts as I'm a little too disappointed with SE to be willing to pay SE any further subscriptions.

At the end of the day, if FFXIV still doesn't make it, I just go back to WoW to try out the new Catalysm expansion. It's a shame really, as being a long time supporter of SE (and having played FFXI for 5 years), I was really hoping that SE gets it right with FFXIV and becomes a serious contender to Blizzard's MMORPG market share.
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#27 Oct 02 2010 at 8:25 PM Rating: Good
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I'm getting more and more pleased that my computer part purchasing is taking long enough to delay my FFXIV experience (enough I hope to allow for the appropriate updates to occur) and that my new computer has the additional purposes of being able to take advantage of games I currently own that I've been barely able to play since before my hardware started to physically wear out.

I hope my first experiences will be good ones once I'm finally able to experience them (and maybe this time it won't take me 3 restarts over 1.5 years to get into it)
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#28 Oct 02 2010 at 10:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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Can I have your stuff?

Seriously though, that's what the free trial is for; to see if you like the game or not. Well, check back in a few months and see if anything has substantially improved. A basic rule that I follow in most aspects of my life: If you're not having fun, don't do it.

Bye! :)


It's not a free trial, you pay $50-$80 for the game.
#29thehellfire, Posted: Oct 02 2010 at 11:11 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Can I haves all your stuff
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Those who lack the patience to wait more than half a month for sweeping changes to the game are most likely not going to enjoy the game even after those changes, and as such should probably stick to games that have been live for over a year, probably ones that will get lots of attention due to those games keeping the company alive.

To be honest, for some of us it's been more than half a month. I was in at the start of alpha which was in April and since then there has only been one major change. The battle system. I don't know if you had the displeasure of ever having to try that, but I'll be blunt... I can't for the life of me figure out how SE, a company who has been making games with battle systems for decades, ever thought that would fly.

So by my count it's been 6 months. Nevermind sweeping changes, how bout just starting simple with basic functionality. Personally, I think you could count all 6 years of development toward their time to make sweeping changes. Despite wanting to go in a new direction with class structure and several other mechanics, they should have taken a look at what worked 8 years ago and built from there. Not saying that they should have made FFXI-2, but there are a lot of things that are present in both games like inventory, linkshell and party features. It's pretty clear that the basics need to be ironed out before they try to do anything major.

Can't blame people for wanting to wait for this game to be playable. The majority are forcing themselves to tolerate the game and it will only hurt them down the road. I don't want to resent SE for making me suffer through it. Yes, I am offended that this game is so poor, but mostly because I read through piles of feedback and posted quite a bit of my own calling on them to resolve most of the problems that plague this game. Their priorities are not shared by the consumers of their product for some reason.
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#31thehellfire, Posted: Oct 02 2010 at 11:17 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) And yet you keep playing, which means you like to hurt yourself or your plain trolling.
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And yet you keep playing, which means you like to hurt yourself or your plain trolling.


I do not play, nor do I plan on playing until PS3 release. Had you bothered to read my previous post you'd already understand that. Also, you should try to find a better understanding of what trolling is. My post is on topic and relevant to the discussion. I'm not flaming anyone, nor an I trying to start any flames. You on the other hand, quoted my entire post and didn't present anything at all related to what I said or what this topic is about. So you get nothing. You lose. Good day sir.
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#33thehellfire, Posted: Oct 02 2010 at 11:46 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) And what miracle change designed just to make you happy will get implemented in a console port that chances are isn't going to be released anyways?
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And what miracle change designed just to make you happy will get implemented in a console port that chances are isn't going to be released anyways?

It's not about me specifically, it's about anyone who was excited about this game. There is nothing miraculous about several hours at most of coding and testing to do something small like making inventory sortable. In the 6 years they have been developing this game you would think that something so simple, yet so important to the players would have been thought of? It's in FFXI, why not have it in FFXIV? This is a rhetorical question so please don't try to answer it because there isn't a good reason. At the time of the console beta I will again be testing. I'm a fan of FF and I'll gladly cheer them on, but I will not support a game that isn't ready to support it's playerbase.

Unless you were in the alpha testing it would be a bit hard for you to understand, but there were suggestions from thousands of players that repeatedly covered issues just like this. Dozens of issues from glaring mistakes to small, simple problems that still remain in the retail version of the game. It would take you weeks to read through all of the feedback that was left, but it would only take you an hour of going through it to see problems reported in April that made it through to release. SE took every opportunity to act like they were interested. "Thank you for all of the feedback. It is crucial to the development of FFXIV... blah blah" you would see this every week at least once. If they made a change, no matter how small for each time I read that message, the game would be exponentially better than it is currently.
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They should just make this a free subscription game. They really have no valid argument to charge people a monthly fee any longer. It is too laggy, it doesn't have the features that free mmo games do, and it is getting a lot of hate mail. As much as I like the game, it also wastes the players time, much like FFXI did (may it rest in peace). The cities look spectacular! Until you have to run across the behemoth city constantly (that shouldn't be as large) and you spend the next 10 minutes running around to find a NPC that easily could have been placed closer.

Much like their intro movie with the cards, here is a reference. Do you know why people play cards and why it is so exciting? The cards are dealt, you bet money or don't, you try to read the other player, and then you reveal your cards. You either win or lose at this point and it either perplexes you or you enjoy it, or you win. In any game, it should be fun and have something to take away from the table. With FFXIV and FFXI it is more like, OK I have my cards thank you. Are you finished looking at your hand? Response: No, I am going to take these cards, and see if I can sell them for 12,000 gil in my Bazaar. If they don't sell by next week, we can play then right? <blink> <blink>

Some are citing cataclysm coming up to put pressure on this game. The sad truth is that there are other things that are non-blizzard related coming up. That is why the game was released when it was.

#36thehellfire, Posted: Oct 03 2010 at 12:10 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Well it sounds like this game clearly isn't for you or even others. Its not a crime to make a game for a niche audience. Just find a different mmo to play. If you truly enjoyed the game something little like a sortable inventory would not make you quit.
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Well it sounds like this game clearly isn't for you or even others. Its not a crime to make a game for a niche audience. Just find a different mmo to play. If you truly enjoyed the game something little like a sortable inventory would not make you quit.


A niche audience? It's a product aimed at anyone who is willing to pay a monthly subscription fee. Their niche audience includes all of those people. There is no grey area between casual and hardcore and they specifically stated that both of these audiences are the target. That includes everyone. You, me and your cousin if he coughs up twelve bucks a month.

Again, you're missing the point. It is not simply the inventory sort. Its the inventory sort, not being able to invite people to groups unless I'm standing on top of them, the same thing for linkshell invites, serverside UI, spamming repeated abilities for battle or crafting, surplus, no balance in skill gains from class to class, completely useless mechanics like drawing and putting away your weapon, taking 15 seconds to sell and item to an NPC, boring guildleves and even more boring NPCs, broken party play, bad mouse control, rediculous update and queue times, lag, crashes and more lag, lost guildleves due to crashes... the niche audience is people who enjoy this?

This can be fixed. All of it, but it's not going to happen overnight. I'm going to wait until PS3 beta and see if anything has changed. Forgive me for being cautious, but it has been 6 months since testing launched and none of these issues have been resolved eventhough they were all reported in testing. They have only 6 months until console release... I think it's justified.
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Through reading several posts, I can see that 70% of the issues can be solved if the game has an AH, yet, is it hard to implement one? No its not, then why didn’t they do it yet and trying to work around it with retainers?
I think they have a problem with the UI system that prevents them from doing so, I don’t buy this economy and RMT thing.
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Through reading several posts, I can see that 70% of the issues can be solved if the game has an AH, yet, is it hard to implement one? No its not, then why didn’t they do it yet and trying to work around it with retainers?
I think they have a problem with the UI system that prevents them from doing so, I don’t buy this economy and RMT thing.
They're perfectly capable of putting an auction house into FFXIV. They just don't want to.

SE wants the retainers to work, they want the retainer system. In my view the benefits of the retainer system do not outweigh the negatives of having an auction house, but I'm not SE therefore it's not my call.

They're going to do everything they can to try to get people to like the current system, because they like it. Anyone involved in the closed beta will tell you that's how SE operated throughout beta. If they decided that they liked something, that's the way it was going to be. It didn't matter if there were dozens of pages of negative feedback, what SE wanted SE did.

That being said, if people are quitting over the lack of an AH than good riddance I say. There are larger issues plaguing the game right now, and without their voices screaming about the lesser problems, those larger issues will get fixed sooner.

One of the main problems I'm seeing is that so many people bought into the "They're holding it back for release" statements and rumours. SE never said that. It was a rumour driven by (for lack of a better term) the fanboys who refused to accept that yes, open beta will resemble release.

So tons of people went into release expecting some miracle patch to hit that will fully flesh out the content and missing features. That expectation completely flies in the face of past MMO launches, and set these people up for a severe letdown when that patch didn't materialize. Personally I was fully expecting that we would be playing something resembling open beta's version, and as such I was prepared to make do with what is in the game currently. I'm having fun with it.

For those who are complaining about the lack of AH, I have never browsed for goods on retainers or bazaars since CE release. Not once. If I wanted a piece of gear, I made it myself. I raised crafting purely through crafting leves so it cost me nothing in gil or materials. Then once I was high enough (didn't take long) I made the item I wanted. I never grinded crafting or anything like that. I have also never sold anything through bazaar or retainer. My character has perfectly fine self-made gear and over 400k gil on him, allowing me to buy gear if I wanted to search for it.

It is possible to function without wasting time on the current system. If you don't want to waste your time browsing retainers, raise crafting like I've done. One hour browsing retainers to find an item you wanted is more than enough time to complete your 8 crafting leves, which can take you up from rank 1 to rank 8-9 in one day's leves.
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Well it sounds like this game clearly isn't for you or even others. Its not a crime to make a game for a niche audience. Just find a different mmo to play. If you truly enjoyed the game something little like a sortable inventory would not make you quit.


Niche audience? No one spends well in excess of $30 million intending to make a game for a niche audience.



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Not saying that they should have made FFXI-2,


To be fair, they kind of shot themselves in the foot on that account by making the game so similar aesthetically to FFXI. Using the same races (just with different names), having a city that resembles Al Zahbi in a zone that resembles Tahrongi Canyon, and having another zone that resembles Konschtat and La Theine, and reusing some monsters and NPCs (like puks, goobbues, and mammets-that-look-like-PUP-automata) that appeared in FFXI and nowhere else in the franchise is practically begging for those comparisons to be made.

Had they come up with a different set of races than renamed humans, our-elves-are-(not-so-)different, oh-how-cute midgets, asexual hulks, and catgirls, and not used La Noscea (which is by far the most FFXI-looking zone in the game) so heavily in their pre-release publicity, people would probably be at least a little less inclined to directly compare it to it's predecessor.
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It is possible to function without wasting time on the current system. If you don't want to waste your time browsing retainers, raise crafting like I've done. One hour browsing retainers to find an item you wanted is more than enough time to complete your 8 crafting leves, which can take you up from rank 1 to rank 8-9 in one day's leves.

I'll agree that quitting solely based on a lack of AH is pretty lame. I don't understand why people expected anything else because SE flat out said there would not be an AH on release. They wanted to see how the market wards and retainer system worked out. There is just one problem. There is no reasonable way to search. The majority of what you will find in the market wards is junk. Market wards could have been a great idea and still has a chance if they improve it, but currently with no way to search... it's just broken.

Crafting is a viable solution, but not something that everyone will enjoy and that is the bottom line. Personally I like crafting. I was a crafter in FFXI and my friends all wondered why I spent so much time fishing and leveling my crafts. Spamming the same crafts over and over for skill or pulling up the same fish repeatedly. They thought it was boring and mindless. I pointed out that it was no more mindless than them going into the fields and killing the same mob repeatedly for drops to sell or exchange for gear. The ideas here are the same, but in XIV without a way to properly search for gear to buy if you would rather farm than craft, there is no compromise. Weather or not they will ever implement a search remains to be seen, but I doubt it will happen.


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FilthMcNasty wrote:
Not saying that they should have made FFXI-2,


To be fair, they kind of shot themselves in the foot on that account by making the game so similar aesthetically to FFXI.


I was referring to mechanics. In FFXI there is a way to sort your inventory, both manually and automatically. On their own either one of these would have been good enough, but this game lacks both... wtf? I will agree though, having this game look so similar just makes these glaring omissions that much more noticeable to those who have played FFXI.


Edited, Oct 3rd 2010 3:59am by FilthMcNasty
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You might be interested in this other new MMO: FFXI. I hear it improves over FFXIV in every way.


This is what irritates me more than anything about all of this. This isn't Squares first MMO. With all the downfalls XI had they did improve it over the years and the game was enjoyable, all the years I played is a testament to that. They learned, though it took them awhile, how to make changes that made the game more enjoyable. Level sync, FoV ect.

For some odd reason though it seems like they took everything they learned, promptly threw it out the window and said "@#%^ it, lets change EVERYTHING!". I'm all for change, I really am but for @#%^ sakes keep what works. The auction house is a prime example. What they should have done was improve on the idea but yet they decided to, what it looks like to me at least, is take a step back.

I'm sure it's been said in numerous posts on these forums but would it kill them to take some ideas from other games too? It seems like they are **** bent on keeping their vision on what the game should be instead of trying to listen to consumer feedback. Sometimes I wonder if everyone at Square's offices are just running around doing drugs thinking everything is just sunshine, lollipops and rainbow farts.

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[quote]I'm all for change, I really am but for @#%^ sakes keep what works.


but then we'd be complaining the game is too much like its predecessor.....

they always change things drastically from game to game. check out the progression/level up systems on the console releases. 7 had the materia orbs you placed on equipment, 12 had that weird grid thing where u traveled from box to box, 13 had the crystarium. they all take the same basic concept but freshen it up to keep things interesting (for better or worse).

it seems like too many people would rather just see ffxi-2
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#45Naiteki, Posted: Oct 03 2010 at 2:57 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) no one said you have to buy any of that to play this game -_- (by the way. Why 2?)
#46Naiteki, Posted: Oct 03 2010 at 3:01 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) fergot this:
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FilthMcNasty wrote:
BastokFL wrote:
FilthMcNasty wrote:
Not saying that they should have made FFXI-2,


To be fair, they kind of shot themselves in the foot on that account by making the game so similar aesthetically to FFXI.


I was referring to mechanics. In FFXI there is a way to sort your inventory, both manually and automatically. On their own either one of these would have been good enough, but this game lacks both... wtf? I will agree though, having this game look so similar just makes these glaring omissions that much more noticeable to those who have played FFXI.


Yeah, I know you were talking about mechanics. I just brought up the aesthetics because artistic similarities make mechanical differences stand out even more.

I mean, certainly everyone who's played FFXIV has noticed the inability to sort inventory - but it can be extreme jarring for former FFXI players who, being lulled into a false sense of familiarity by the artistic similarities, find themselves presing ctrl-I numpad-+ enter enter, subconsciously expecting that to sort their inventory (I know I certainly played FFXI for that sequence to be second nature), only to find that nothing like that has happened.
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but then we'd be complaining the game is too much like its predecessor.....


Going to go out on a limb here and say that finding someone who would complain about being able to sort inventory is never going to happen. Everyone wants the game to be functional. Its the same reason you see people making statements like "Why can't I chat without being interrupted by actions like I can in other games?" "Why can't I alt-tab to desktop without crashing FFXIV like I can in other games?" People don't want this game to play like other games, but they want it to be playable like other games.
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Excluding all the missing content issues (which I don't mind), the basic mechanics of the game is not ready for release as an MMO, as mention by the OP as well, server lag, payment option, UI... just to name a few. All these should be in perfect working order before they can start calling it a gold release. Seems several people I know in game are going to quit soon because these issues, I told them to wait for a year before anything will get fixed at the rate looking at how long SE's history on updating FFXI just to make the game enjoyable. I've said it many times, spending hours and hours daily clicking on people's bag just to find nothing i'm looking for is not called fun, is like the internet without Google, imagine that.
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none s gonna wait a year for a mmo imo, at next year there are a few popular mmo will be release, so i dont think it is a option. And i myself, until the next payment and i still cant get into Lindblum, i dont belive i have to waste my money for 1 more months just to sit and wait for server to go up, its better that i just end subcript and wait until the server done with supende and open for all before re-subcript. I dont have any complain about UI or etc, lag is a expect of a new release mmo so it cant be list in complain list, what i unhappy about is I cant join my clan in lindblum because of char creation subpending, and i am prettysure the time it open, evan if i join, i ll be low lvl while the other is have fun with other thing, and i ll solo my *** out, and i do belive SE dont understand this point of view



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#51 Oct 03 2010 at 7:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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theweenie wrote:
It is possible to function without wasting time on the current system. If you don't want to waste your time browsing retainers, raise crafting like I've done. One hour browsing retainers to find an item you wanted is more than enough time to complete your 8 crafting leves, which can take you up from rank 1 to rank 8-9 in one day's leves.

I'll agree that quitting solely based on a lack of AH is pretty lame. I don't understand why people expected anything else because SE flat out said there would not be an AH on release. They wanted to see how the market wards and retainer system worked out. There is just one problem. There is no reasonable way to search. The majority of what you will find in the market wards is junk. Market wards could have been a great idea and still has a chance if they improve it, but currently with no way to search... it's just broken.

Crafting is a viable solution, but not something that everyone will enjoy and that is the bottom line. Personally I like crafting. I was a crafter in FFXI and my friends all wondered why I spent so much time fishing and leveling my crafts. Spamming the same crafts over and over for skill or pulling up the same fish repeatedly. They thought it was boring and mindless. I pointed out that it was no more mindless than them going into the fields and killing the same mob repeatedly for drops to sell or exchange for gear. The ideas here are the same, but in XIV without a way to properly search for gear to buy if you would rather farm than craft, there is no compromise. Weather or not they will ever implement a search remains to be seen, but I doubt it will happen.




Therein lies the rub.

Your options are, basically: (1) spend hours rummaging through the various retainers in the hope of finding gear upgrades, and probably not finding anything affordable, (2) spend your time leveling all of your crafts or (3) belong to a LS with a lot of crafters who can craft gear for you.

That's all well and good, but as most of us know, the % of "MMO players" who like to dedicate 50%+ of their playtime to crafting is not that high. Many don't like to craft at all. Even more will craft a bit, here and there, as a sidelight for when they get bored with adventuring, etc. Only a small percentage of MMO players play MMOs specifically to spend half or more of their time crafting. That's just how it is.

It's in that context that the lack of an AH becomes an issue. What it does is *force* people into a very certain playstyle which is very crafting heavy (or to be a member of a crafting-heavy LS) in order to play the game. A lot of people won't like that. My guess is that quite a number of people will get the game, enjoy it until they are around class rank 15 or so and start hitting the gear upgrade threshold, only to learn about the three options above ... and end up leaving the game. That wouldn't happen if the game were designed to accommodate the most common MMO playstyle -- heavy adventuring, light or no crafting -- together with crafter-specific playstyles. Instead, this game leans very, very, very crafting-heavy, and that will limit its appeal overall. An AH would sand off the rough edges of that, but, yes, at the expense of giving RMT an in-game tool to use. I guess SE is coming down on the side of their own relatively narrow game design, rather than adding a common sense function which, yes, helps the RMT people but also allows players to more effectively play the game according to their own preferred playstyle, rather than having to follow a crafting-heavy playstyle.

As for me, this is now becoming an issue, and I find I am playing less and less. It's sad, really, because the game would be more fun if it didn't straitjacket the players like this, but so it is. Game design is very questionable on this point, for me at least.
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